The Justice Department here in Minnesota has put online gamblers “on notice.” They are coming.
What is the bottomline: The Justice Department is using a law from 1961. (I was born in 1961) that they claim says gambling online is illegal.
I’m sorry I don’t remember having access to the Internet in High School.
They are telling Minnesota Online Gamblers that the act of gambling online is illegal.
They are INSTRUCTING ISP’s to BLOCK access by all Minnesota based computers to about 200 gambling websites.
They haven’t done their homework. There are thousands.
Now, Minnesota is where I reside and have the pleasure of paying taxes so that The Justice Department can catch criminals from doing things to hurt people.
But the Department says they have no idea how much gambling online is actually happening.
Really.
Do they know how many murders took place in Minnesota last year?
Do they know how many women were raped?
How about a good guess at how much white collar crime?
So they have data about all real crimes but they have no idea about imaginary crimes.
Fascinating.
Must be hurting a lot of people.
I find things like this interesting because I be on the Super Bowl this year. There is no law in the United States that makes gambling online illegal. In fact Barney Frank has been working on making it legal. Maybe he enjoys poker too, I don’t know. He’s right on this one.
Let’s look at a few quick arguments against “gambling” both online and in general.
1) Gambling is unregulated…………….(Not my fault.)
2) Gambling is sinful………………..(For some religions)
3) Gambling includes games of chance where the player loses more often more than they win.
——–Life Insurance. A HUGE gamble
——–Insurance and warranties of ALL kinds. A MONSTER gamble.
——–Stocks, futures and options…all done on line where the probability is that the gambler will lose…..But this is “different” because the government owns banks and companies that profit from gambling in stocks, futures and options.
And then one would have to determine just what gambling online is. “Any time you put money at risk and can lose it,” perhaps?
So all the civilization games that the kids, like my 11 year old play that cost money, money constantly invested into the online civilizations where by both skill and chance the kids (and adults) can actually win or lose PLENTY of money. That would not be gambling because?????
The biggest gambles people take (the highest probability of loss putting up real money for a chance to win money) are life insurance, futures, options, warranties….yeah…. nothing in the poker/casino market comes close. Nothing.
Yet I can go to Ameritrade right now and pop $1000 on whether gold will go up today, or not and cash out or lose it all in 30 seconds, or 3 hours.
The very notion that a government agency has the audacity to attempt to tell Internet Providers not to allow Minnesota residents they can’t access whatever they consider gambling sites to be, rings of a far greater crime. Censorship. Sounds like China to me. Not that that matters. After all, the guys at the Justice Department are just “doing there job.”
So be it. Perhaps they would be willing to list just what forms of gambling online are illegal so one could have an understanding.
Can I gamble on a stock? An option? Can I play the futures market. I defy ANYONE in the Justice Department to explain to me the difference between betting on the futures market or buying/selling options and say blackjack or poker.
I can’t WAIT to hear not a list of criminal activities like “craps” or “pai gow poker” but the RATIONALE of WHY that is gambling vs. other forms of gambling that actually destroy people’s lives and retirements.
The argument I hear is that there is “an underlying security” in stocks, futures, etc. etc.
Cool. So the $100 TRILLION of derivatives are NOT gambling? The chips they play with that are NOT US Currency are not illegal?
Perhaps the Justice Department would explain THAT….to anyone.
…oh you could become “addicted” to “gambling.”
Yes you can.
I know plenty of people who trade stocks, buy stocks, futures and options in the hopse of winning more money. Most lose. It’s the nature of gambling. Plenty become addicted because of the rush involved in winning.
There is of course no difference in the feelings. The reward centers in the brains don’t cease working because a game is in the futures market instead of the stock market.
Here’s a question:
How much did Minnesota gamblers lose last year. I’m going to say $50 million as a guess.
How much did Minnesota residents lose playing the markets in a way that it has utterly destroyed their futures?
I’m going to say $10 billion.
I would be very happy to use this space to interview any employee of the Minnesota Department of Justice explaining just WHAT they believe gambling is and what it is not and create a definition where someone would know whether they were gambling or doing something illegal.
After all, we get the idea that we can’t walk outside and shoot our neighbor. That is a fundamental principle. Simple ways to understand.
So what would the RULE be for gambling? How could a citizen KNOW?
If someone buys a warranty on a computer at Best Buy the return on that gamble is about 10%. If you gamble on a hand of blackjack your return on the gamble is about 48%. If you buy futures you could argue it’s 50/50 but give me 10 minutes and I’ll show you that is not correct…at all.
People can watch TV online, they can do anything oline but I can’t play poker? Because…………………………………………someone “said so?”
What was the criteria?
What is the principle?
How do you draw conclusions from the principle?
Are citizens really going to stand for having the DoJ enter their home because they THINK someone is playing “cards” online?
WOW.
That is Russia 1975. China 2009….Wait, no it’s not. It’s far worse than anything I’ve ever heard.
To call something criminal when no one is harmed is *wrong.*
And if the are going to call it games of chance, then please tell me that they will contact the government and tell them that they can’t let “investors” play the markets, or futures markets…. oh wait…that won’t happen…because,
there is no rational principle involved.
Only a game to take government away from what it should be doing.
PROTECTING AND SERVING her citizens.
Not trying to determine the entertainment in someone’s home.
See how big this is?
DoJ readers: post a comment here on this blog, I’ll instantly post it so residents can gain understanding immediately. Particularly me because I don’t do illegal stuff. But by censorship without cause of any kind, the government commits a huge crime. We become….. no longer a free society.
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Very interesting that they are trying to tie this into a law passed in 1961? The closest thing I knew of in 1986, 25 years later was the IBM Selectric II typewriter. Crazy, isn’t it.
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By: Lisa McLellan on May 1, 2009
at 6:07 pm
The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act made all online gambling illegal in October 2006, not just sports betting as the 1961 law covered.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2006-07-18-online-gaming_x.htm
They arrested some off-shore gambling execs and owners shortly thereafter.
Betting was explicitly defined as:
the staking or risking of property in order to win something of value based on the outcome of:
a contest of others, a sporting event, or a game subject to chance or
the purchase of a chance to win a lottery or other prize the award of which is predominantly subject to chance
the teeth in the law made it illegal for banks to transfer the money for such purposes.
Seize the Day,
Rob
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PS: i agree it is wrong. I think the main reason is that the government wants their cut of the revenue and they feel that they need to be in charge of all the legal avenues to make sure they get their cut.
Gambling should be legal.
By: Rob Northrup on May 1, 2009
at 6:26 pm
Here’s a better link…
http://www.gambling-law-us.com/Federal-Laws/internet-gambling-ban.htm
Rob
By: Rob Northrup on May 1, 2009
at 6:28 pm
Are they striving to LOOK like they are doing something to earn their keep?
I mean, are the other crimes so high?
sigh
I have mixed feelings and thoughts about gambling.
Like with so many entertainments, they can become vices.
Regulate only what is truly criminal. Put in safeguards to prevent under 18 yr olds.
Then for goodness sake, let us enjoy our PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS with some LIBERTY.
Me? I gamble enough in LOVE!
Best regards,
April Braswell
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By: April Braswell on May 1, 2009
at 6:36 pm
Like marketing – go for the emotion and there are plenty of people who get emotional over the “sin” of gambling. How many of those own real estate? Another gamble.
In my opinion, they’re off on the wrong track and wasting taxpayers money. Down with censorship.
Pat
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By: Pat Becker on May 1, 2009
at 8:24 pm
I don’t understand what the priciple is they base this on myself.
I do believe they want to control and grab some of the funds in one way or the other.
Just another move for more gov. control.
Lynn Lane
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By: Lynn Lane on May 1, 2009
at 9:41 pm
This is craziness.
Wow. Just wow.
I just love it when the government pokes their nose into my business and tries to protect me from myself…
Grrr…
JJ Jalopy.
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By: JJ Jalopy on May 2, 2009
at 12:13 am
You are trying to apply logic to the government. It will never work. The trick is to follow the money. Someone is paying money to keep online gambling illegal. I’m thinking vested casino interests.
I am so thankful the government is looking out for me to keep me safe and warm and in their clutches.
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By: Steve Chambers on May 2, 2009
at 12:42 am
It is illegal because the government hasn’t found a way to cash in on it; plus throw in some moral fundamentalism and there you have it. I put my money in what were supposed to be safe and conservative investements and now I have almost nothing. That was a gamble. Am I a criminal now? What about all these lottery scratch off cards that are like crack for people. I have seen senior citizens blow half their check on those lottery cards. Are they criminals. No because despite my loss, I will have to pay taxes. And despite the old woman’s loss with the cards, the gov’t will still get payed. It is just a load of fu#$3ig bullshit. Pardon my language.
Anthony
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By: Anthony Lemme on May 2, 2009
at 4:09 am
HI Kevin,
Sound’s like colditz! Ive never heard something so crazy!
Isn’t there a line in the anthem that says “The Land Of The Free”??
Doesn’t sound so free to me!
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By: Duane Cunningham on May 2, 2009
at 4:35 am
Government will do everything without your consent if you let them so.
Even though some people is willing to give up their freedom, it’s wrong to have a dictator like govt.
A fascinating Video Interviewwith the highly articulate Naomi Wolfe describes how the U.S. has become a Police State …..
What is the definition of police state?
1. The leader has his own treasury
2. The leader has his own army on the streets
$100 Billion out of the initial $700 billion bail out passed in a hurry gave your US Presidential discretionary power to use.
US Militiary police can now patrol on the streets in US to maintain law & order, directly under President’s control.
This is scary.
1984 revisited.
John Ho
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By: John Ho on May 2, 2009
at 3:57 pm
Seems like our freedoms are being slowly (or maybe not so slowly) eroded.
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By: Darryl Pace on May 2, 2009
at 9:15 pm
It’s extraordinary what some people regard as priorities, or even any of their business.
Presumably there are lots of places people can go and buy a gun if they want to (yes, I know that America has THE most extraordinary attitude to gun ownership), but even so, if I wanted to get indignant about something I would pick something with serious consequences for society.
Presumably alcohol is next in line.
Philip Graves
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By: Philip Graves on May 3, 2009
at 6:20 am
Sometimes this archaic laws ust keep us all behind!!
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By: David Power on May 5, 2009
at 2:22 pm